Podcast #78 – Curing Autism w/ Kerri Rivera – Bulletproof Radio

Everyone, it’s Dave Asprey with Bulletproof Radio Today we’ve got a pretty controversial guest

Her name is Kerri Rivera and Kerri’s the Director and Founder of Autism O2, a hyperbaric clinic and the first and only biomed based autism clinic in Latin America Actually in Puerto Vallerta Mexico Kerri’s the mother of 2 sons Her 11 year old is in recovery from autism and she’s translated a bunch of protocols from American English into Spanish, and is working to take autism treatments from the US to Latin America The only thing is the kind of treatment she works with are not normally recognized in the US but it’s a kind of treatment that I’m familiar with

So Kerri, welcome to the show, I’m excited to hear you talk about how this technology works and how maybe even people who don’t have autism could use it KERRI: Exactly Thanks Dave, thanks for having me I appreciate it DAVE: Let’s just jump right into it

What do you do for autism, because it’s supposed to be an incurable disease KERRI: Right Well, I guess we should probably start off with the fact that my son was diagnosed in 2004 with autism and so then that began my biomedical journey to knowing to start to heal my son One of the big things was diet and he did well with that, and then we kind of marched on and we tried everything, it was kind of like the boat with the whale watchers, you know, everyone’s running to one side doing b12 shots, running to the other side doing IV chelation, so we did all that We ran back and forth

And basically us, like most of the other people that were running back and forth, didn’t really see much of anything as far as improvements were concerned And so time went on and on and on and we visited many doctors throughout the United States, anddiet was always big for us, hyperbarics was really big for us, but still we were missing a big–I mean he was really still pretty impacted and then– DAVE: So how old was your son when you figured out he had autism? KERRI: When I finally got a diagnosis in Mexico back in the day, there wasn’t a lot of any of this sort of thing going around 2002 when he actually got sick with it so it was hard to find a diagnosis and everybody kept saying that “well he’s bilingual” and he was the baby of the family and he was spoiled, you know they kept saying other things but my son dramatically changed at the age of 2

It was very dramatic 2 years one day changed So you know, something was wrong but we didn’t know what happened and we’re sort of going along and they’re saying terrible twos and terrible threes and it just kind of went like that Yeah it was not wonderful But then there was a neuropsychologist who came down as a visitor to the director of the school my sons were going to school

And the director said you know I have this woman here and she’s a neuropsychologist and I’d like her to meet with you and so I thought oh okay, but I knew that my younger son was fine so everyone told me he was just spoiled and that’s the one that actually ended up with the autism diagnosis And so we sat down and we talked and we were talking, I thought we were gonna talk about my older son who hadn’t slept in 2 years because his brother hadn’t stopped crying all night long And so she kept focusing on my younger son Patrick and she’s like, “Does he always run around in circles?” Yeah “Does he always flap his hands? Does he always squeal like a dolphin?” Yes, yes And you know, she asked all the standard questions, “does he not point with his finger?” No he doesn’t point with his finger

“Does he have any eye contact?” No Well, anyway, I told her I went to everybody, all these specialists and everyone told me he was fine, and she said I can’t believe they didn’t tell you your son has autism That’s verbatim I’ll never forget those words And that was a real destructive moment

My whole world collapsed But then I asked her is it possible that she could be wrong and she said “no” Well she said yeah it’s possible, but she had done her post-graduate in autism and she had seen hundreds of cases of autism, so that said, she basically led me to these psychologists and I said what do you do? And she said well tomorrow come to this place and I’ll introduce you to these people and I saw these two women like deer in the headlights, like, didn’t know what to do and they were going to help me save the day and I knew this was not for me But I went to pick up my older son who had been with my girlfriends and one of them said “oh I have a book, it’s about a diet for ADD, ADHD and autism And I said oh great so I read the book within 36 hours this book was read and I realized that my son was eating everything wrong

So literally the only things that he was eating that weren’t with gluten or casein or sugar or something really bad were french fries And as bad as french fries are, that was the only thing that was legal: a potato was actually still legal on the gluten free casein free diet So that was what we started with Plates of potatoes I know I’m not telling you this is nutritious

All I’m saying is basically what we’re looking for was something that wasn’t gonna cause the allergies and the inflammation DAVE: The first thing that happened is you’re blindsided by this information, and then, you sort of stumble across the idea that what you eat may effect the mental state especially for people on the spectrum, and you eliminated some of the potential toxins from the diet KERRI: All of them We took them all out We took everything out

I mean this kid had breakfast, lunch and dinner: fries Because he wouldn’t look at chicken, he wouldn’t look at fish, he wouldn’t look at fruit, nothing He had completely reduced his diet down to everything that was gluten and casein So all he was eating was quesadillas, I mean he had the worst diet by the time we figured out what was going on DAVE: You were living in Mexico where the quesadillas a very standard kids food

KERRI: Yes DAVE: So, you’ve now eliminated many of these things except fries which have oils that may not be good for autism and have potato lectins and other things KERRI: Right DAVE: Now, this is the beginning of your journey into understanding biomedical stuff because you were basically kind of ignorant at the beginning of the process, you just didn’t know right? KERRI: No, never knew anything about it DAVE: Because honestly, who teaches parents how to feed their kids to not get autism? Right? Although funny, I wrote a book about what to eat during pregnancy to reduce the odds of autism, but… KERRI: Interesting, interesting

That’s a good thing DAVE: So from there though, you went down this path that was about what– KERRI: 2004 DAVE: Right so it was about 9 years ago and in 9 years you’ve become sort of a self-educated expert on what to do with feeding and caring for an autistic child And the reason I invited you on the show today is that in addition to nutritional interventions, which I know can work wonders, I have family members who have left their jobs to take care of children with autism, and reversed it to the point their kids are neurotypical after 100’s of 1000’s of dollars and masses of interventions But you went down a path of using something called Chlorine Dioxide

KERRI: Right Well, I don’t know This is sort of a little bit out there, but anyway, by 2010 my clinic had been open and we were helping kids and their was IV chelation in the ozone and hyperbarics and tons of supplements and everything–and you know, kids were getting better but it was like you know, like you’re saying, hundreds of thousands of dollars So this was like thousands of dollars at least for these families who only you know, maybe made hundreds of dollars in income so it was a very taxing thing and I really started to think that if this is what this defeat autism now biomedical intervention thing is, then I don’t think I really wanna be telling people about this So with my own issues at the time thinking you know, what do I do because now we’re helping people

We’ve established this clinic People are coming from all over Latin America And actually, Canada and the US is where people were coming from And I really wasn’t too certain that I wanted to keep doing it because we weren’t having the recoveries, you know? That was kind of a big issue DAVE: Are you a licensed physician? How did you open a clinic? KERRI: I'm a homeopath

DAVE: Oh, you are a homeopath Cool KERRI: And we had doctors, actually I had a hyperbaric specialist doctor in my clinic I had an IV nurse, I had doctors that came down from the states that we used their protocol, things like that DAVE: So you assembled the clinic with a bunch of professionals KERRI: Exactly

DAVE: Some kind of advanced techniques And now people listening, you may be going well why do we have an autism specialist on the show? Here’s the thing Hyperbaric oxygen is one of the things that Kerri uses for autistic kids, do professional athletes use hyperbaric oxygen chambers to recover quickly? KERRI: Absolutely DAVE: They do In fact, it turns out that if you wanna build resilience in any human being, look at what works on autistic kids which are some of the most delicate nervous systems and immune systems on the planet, and if you can make an autistic child become more resilient and more able to function in the world that we live in, those techniques often times work well for neurotypical people to improve their performance and wellness

And certainly, my own experience having had symptoms of aspergers to my mid 20s and ADHD and not having that stuff anymore, I know very well that these things work and how I build my own resilience involves some of the techniques that you used at your clinic down there even though you’re using them for bringing people back to normal Now looking at what do you do to take people and move them even further ahead? KERRI: Its also autism, these children are born neruotypical I mean, they’re absolutely fine My child hit every single milestone, he was substantially brighter than his brother, and then something happens or there’s something that happens and they change But they change usually between 6 months and 24 months so even if your viewers are younger people and they maybe don’t have kids or maybe they’re gonna have kids or maybe they’re in this child thing, one in thirty boys is getting autism or one in three are on the autism spectrum meaning asthma, allergy autism, ADD, ADHD

So it’s a wide spectrum, and the healing all begins with the first step obviously being the diet because that’s the first step for any kind of healing But I think it does, with especially 1 in 50 when you include girls because it’s less common in girls, but still just the same, it’s very common right now in our society So at some point it might not be your child, God willing it’s not your child, but you know, there’s a nephew, there’s a niece, there’s somebody usually somewhere in the vicinity and then it’s nice to be able to say hey there’s this women on Dave’s show ya know? It might be a good thing DAVE: There are about 100 to maybe 150 million people with autoimmune conditions in the US according to some of the research I’ve seen And autism is one of the conditions of autoimmunity that particularly affects the brain and the gut

So, the fact that you may not have autism, if you have rheumatoid arthritis, funny, there are some commonalities between what your immune system is doing in those conditions KERRI: You know what’s been interesting, Dave, to me is that I have a lot of parents that do the protocol at the same time as their children, like they do step one diet, step two the chlorine dioxide in the ocean water, step three, the parasite protocol, and many of my parents have been diagnosed with lyme, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, and actually go on to go into remission in these things whn they actually treat themselves at the same time speaking of autoimmune disorders So autism, like cancer is an autoimmune disorder So these disorders tend to get better when you treat them similarly It’s been very interesting to me

DAVE: So you mentioned a few interesting things Chlorine Dioxide, which in the FDA totally rejects like, you’re making a dangerous bleach KERRI: They actually love chlorine dioxide Sorry, Dave If you go into FDA

org because I’ve done this, you go and you put in Chlorine Dioxide it will tell you that it’s one of the best biofilm dissolvers which will have the biofilm in our gut Which has all the virus and bacteria candida parasites and heavy metals in it so it dissolves that, doesn’t dissolve the gut but it dissolves that, and it’s also a very good antimicrobial and the FDA actually has a lot of patents that have chlorine dioxide in it and there’s many many patents and dozens of patents which is also quite interesting to know that if you call it chlorine dioxide, which is really what it is, it’s from a family of oxidizers like oxygen hyperbarics, ozone therapy, hydrogen peroxide and chlorine dioxide, they’re all from the same family of oxidizers DAVE: And by the way, I’ve done pretty much everything there years ago I tried– KERRI: Me too yeah DAVE: –I tried sodium, I soon had the chloride, I for a little while didn’t necessarily notice a giant difference compared to the other things I did It’s interesting, if you go to some of the FDA pages, they’re saying it makes dangerous bleach

And other ones they say that it’s good I’m just looking as we speak to find it KERRI: If you put MMS in there because that was the name that Jim Humble gave it, if you put MMS in there, that’s when it talks about how bad it is But if you put chlorine dioxide, it’s actually quite a favorite because they use it in the slaughter houses, on the fruits and vegetables, it’s actually in our municipal water supplies as well DAVE: So it’s basically the kind of bleach you would use to disinfect things and break up things outside of the human body? KERRI: It’s not a bleach

It does bleach just like lime and sun beach, but they’re not actually bleaches They’re oxidizers DAVE: Why is there a use for this stuff inside the human body? How does it work? KERRI: It actually is a simple oxidizer so what it does is it’s a positively charged molecule just like our healthy cells are so they repel That’s why it doesn’t do any damage to the body, and within 60 minutes, it’s entire activity has ended So you don’t actually go accumulating it, and at the end of the 60 minutes, you have about a couple grains of table salt

That’s it DAVE: Okay So this is an oxidizer You put it in water You drink it

And it doesn’t oxidize your cells, it oxidizes intracellular fluid, or intercellular fluid between the cells, right? It basically kills stuff that shouldn’t be in the body KERRI: Right Exactly Kills pathogens because it has, the body has a charge of 128 to 1

30 just like hyperbarics or oxygen O2, it has the same so that’s why you can use hyperbarics but you can’t do too many, you can just do the right amount But with chlorine dioxide because it’s a 095 voltage is the measurement on the oxidizers, so it’s much lower than the actual body So you can actually take it We do oral, rectal, vaginal, ear, eye, nose, basically skin for bats– DAVE: You’re talking about ozone or you’re talking about– KERRI: Chlorine Dioxide

DAVE: Chlorine Dioxide, okay KERRI: Chlorine Dioxide Chlorine Dioxide The ozone actually has a higher voltage than oxygen and that’s why you really have to watch You know you have to go to the professional who knows how to use it because they have to use a certain setting

DAVE: Okay So basically, you’re–and this is in the liquid form when you’re giving it to them? KERRI: Correct Liquid DAVE: Okay And so you diluted it in water until it’s what pH? KERRI: No, you just dilute the bits drop per drop

It’s drop to drop Yeah so we’re always using, for every one drop that’s been activated, you use one ounce of water So it always has the same 3000 parts per million but you’re still always with the same dilution You know, like water, there was a radio show about 8 months ago where somebody had to drink so much water and of course this compensation, the person died So you always want everything to be in the proportion whether it’s just drinking water or chlorine dioxide or anything else that we use

DAVE: Okay And so how do we know what proportions work for, you know, treating I’m guessing what would you call the things that are killed or removed from Chlorine Dioxide? KERRI: Pathogens DAVE: Just pathogens? KERRI: Pathogens and parasites Right For instance with the protocol we’ve been seeing we have 108 children between the ages of 2 and 17 who have lost their autism diagnosis using this protocol over the last 3

3 years So the results have been very interesting and there’s actually a number of doctors that are looking this way and are interested in what we’re doing and actually support to a certain amount because they can’t lose their license or they won’t be able to feed their families DAVE: This is very controversial stuff and I’ve known a few physicians who’ve embraced early therapies and lost their licenses or had to move to another state with more lax rules It’s not even about laws It’s about privately controlled medical boards who are basically deciding whether or not you’re allowed to treat someone with something that works or doesn’t work and it’s more about whether your friends do it, is it a cool treatment

So, I’m also, I guess I’m a little confused about the mechanism of action How does Chlorine Dioxide reverse autism? Is it just because the argument is autism is caused by like, pathogens, which we haven’t defined that well, like, what is a pathogen? Can you name three pathogens? KERRI: Yes Virus, bacteria, candida DAVE: Okay KERRI: And then the largest pathogen is a parasite

And parasites are a little more tricky to kill, but the chlorine dioxide weakens the parasite So actually, when we use the parasite protocol created by Dr Andreas Kalcker, that parasite protocol, which is non systemic, goes ahead and kills the parasites and we’re getting everything from the ropeworm, the ascaris lumbricoides, the pin worm, we’re getting flukes, we’re seeing all kinds of parasites coming out of these people Children and their parents DAVE: Okay

So in your experience running a clinic, the number one contributor to autism and ADD and things like that that are kind of the spectrum would be parasites, not yeast? KERRI: All pathogens, no no all pathogens because they’re all in there together There’s a biofilm a virus, bacteria, candida, parasite, heavy metals All this is causing inflammation All that’s causing allergies We have this dysbiosis in the intestine, we have the leaky gut’s so it’s taking all these semi digested proteins to the brain causing inflammation

You know, there’s so many things going wrong at one time, but as we start to kill the pathogens in the gut, then all of a sudden we’re having less proteins going to the blood, going to the brain We’re having a lot more clarity with the children, so pretty quickly they start to turn around DAVE: Okay, so then you use this stuff, which using oxidizers or oxidative medicine as you could call it, can be profound both for healthy people as well as people who are really dealing with big issues KERRI: Right DAVE: I’ve used a ton of medical ozone, I’ve use hyperbaric oxygen chambers, I’ve used hydrogen peroxide intravenously, believe it or not, a lot of people say that a bit like “What?” KERRI: So many people do it

DAVE: But here’s the thing There’s definitely anti microbial effects from these things, but there’s also an effect where you train the cells in the body, just like lifting weights When you briefly expose them to a lot of oxidated stress, they turn on the production of SOD and they also turn on the production of glutathione which is something people have heard me talk about a lot because I make a specific glutathione that raises your levels in the body very quickly and very high using an oral form So one of the things you can do to increase your athletic performance or increase your ability to even meditate, is raised glutathione levels So occasional oxidated stress to give your cells a workout, can have beneficial effects outside of antimicrobial effects

Do you think that’s a part of what’s helping people with autism when they use oxidative therapies? KERRI: You know what’s fascinating to me is when I see the children when they start working with me, most or all of them have done tons of labs, which you know the labs are not always so wonderful But you see these kids and they’re sick, you know? They’ve got that IAO cinafiles, they have the low iron, I mean these kids are really sick Everything is just messed up on them And then I see a lot of these kids who are still working with doctors, for instance in the United States, a lot of them have a primary biomedical doctor in the US and they’re running their tests, and like, for instance, one mom, her son recovered back in March of this year, and she was saying that she went to the doctor and he said the lab results were boring because there was nothing wrong with him! He was really healthy He was really fine

And he had pizza for his birthday this summer, you know? This child has recovered from autism He’s just leading the neurotypical dream life you know, and the families, I don’t even hear from them anymore Every once in a blue moon, a hey how’s it going photo of a birthday kind of thing, but they’re fine! DAVE: So these are some huge claims because a typical western physician, maybe non immigrative will say we don’t know what causes autism, and there is no cure and you have to do cognitive behavioral therapy and all that stuff I know very well because I’ve seen it, I’ve done work with autism non profits I know that mold toxins have actually, even in California Court, has admitted that mold toxins cause autism

Not the sole cause, they’re just one of the many things that can trigger your immune system to go bonkers Now I’ve also–I get a little personal here I’ve pooped in a lot of bags over the years for lab tests Parasite measurement is such an imprecise science You can have them throughout your body and poop in a bag and they don’t find it because they’re looking at it, sorting it

Literally there’s a guy who’s job it is to sort through your poop under a microscope and look, “Oh that looks pretty, that must be a worm” kind of thing It’s very imprecise And it looks a little better than that But honestly, visual inspection still matters KERRI: Absolutely

DAVE: So how do you know these kids have parasites, especially these different forms, and how do you know they’re gone? KERRI: Well we just start treating with the parasite protocol Well let me start back The second diet is the first step Number two step is ocean water and chlorine dioxide I’ve had children take ocean water–parasites don’t like ocean water by the way–and they’ve been so infested in the gut, that they’ve taken ocean water orally and out the other end has come what looks like angelhair pasta because it had so many pinworms in the rectum that it’s on the inside all of a sudden all these pinworms came right out

I’ve seen that happen before DAVE: So they’re just drinking like, ocean water from the beach? KERRI: Yeah Usually they’ll get like certain labels that have been cold filtered and they’re from a vortex, and there’s different types of ocean water But the point being, it can be from the ocean water that you can start seeing the parasites or when they start drinking the chlorine dioxide that some of these parasites will come out, and then of course once we start the parasite protocol, that’s when we start to see the majority of them because you’re actually giving them something to kill them And that’s gonna drive them out

But the chlorine dioxide definitely weakens the parasites and so when they come out, most of my moms are–they’re real hands on There’s thousands of these people in 52 different countries They’re my heroes every day they’re there Healing their children And they will take–there’s toilet hats that you can get that actually fit into the commode underneath the seats so that the children don’t feel them, but then they can collect and they can sift through like they were talking about, and they usually put hot water on it or you can use a collander, and obviously this stuff doesn’t get reused in the kitchen

So they put hot water on it, and what’s remaining, the stool will fall through, but what’s remaining are the parasites and they have the same form You know, they’re parasites or flukes or the pinworms, but they resist the hot water and if it was mucus, cause I had a doctor say to me “wow there’s a lot of mucus in there”, the mucus dissolves really quickly even with cold water And with hot water, even faster But the parasites, because they’re protein, they just stick around and so the parents will stretch them out and take photos and share it on other social media groups just to you know, kind of helping us all get along and so when you say how do you know that they–what happens when you get rid of the parasites, we see these children get better with basically every full moon protocol We treat over the full moon and we also take something called an ATEC which is autism treatment evaluation checklist

It’s available for free at autismcom and you can fill it out You can fill it out daily if you wanted Again you just kind of fill in the information about your child and it asks you a bunch of questions, the physicals, the emotionals, and all kinds of things DAVE: Alright

KERRI: But when you have it, it kind of gives us an idea of how we’re doing and of course everybody around this child is saying “oh my gosh, he’s doing this and she’s doing that and they’re doing really well” and so the grandparents are noticing and life is changing in the house so as these parasites are being passed, this child’s environment is a lot better DAVE: Alright, now I have to ask you a couple questions here So far you’ve mentioned drinking ocean water, which everyone knows makes you wanna throw up, and like, if you’re on a life raft and you drink ocean water, you don’t do very well because you start to hallucinate, right? And you’ve mentioned vortexes and full moons So I think you might have tilted the skeptical meter pretty far here KERRI: Okay

That’s okay We still know a108 children who’ve lost their diagnosis So I think that whether it’s skepticism or not, we’re proving it every day DAVE: I totally understand like, stuff works and there’s reason we don’t know why it works But I wanna dig in a little bit on– KERRI: Okay

DAVE: And I’m not denying the results KERRI: That's okay DAVE: I've seen amazing stuff happen with autism where it’s not supposed to be reversible and I know kids who’ve had dramatic results I saw one child who wasn’t even on the right diet who went in six weeks of just brain training Went from running in circles flapping and screaming at the top of his lungs, like running a circle around me, and all of a sudden six weeks later, walked up, “Hi! My name is so and so

How are you?” Like, complete transformations in short periods of time I know it’s possible and my own experience of losing all my aspergers symptoms over the course of about 3 months at least losing most of them and losing the others over the next couple years So I totally get it There’s kids getting better and I’ve worked with moms directly So, number one

Why do you drink ocean water? Like, what’s in it that’s different than salt water? KERRI: Minerals Well it’s a balance That’s it So for instance, we might use 5 milliliters of ocean water for getting the minerals into the body Three times a day or ten milliliters of ocean water and actually there’s quite a bit of information at quinton

com Quinton Renee Quinton is the man that used to do IVs with ocean water back in the early 1900s and cure people of all kinds of gut disorders and wasting all kinds of things like that DAVE: How do you spell his name? KERRI: Q-U-I-N-T-O-N “keen-tahn” Renee

R-E-N-E-E DAVE: Alright, I’ll put a link in the shownotes for people who wanna see that This is not something I’ve ever heard of There’s definitely people who do unusual things with ocean water, even taking ocean water and putting it in concentrated forms of it Even in farmland and having just dramatic changes in the crop yields

So there’s interesting compounds including like, precious metals in ocean water that oftentimes we’re not that aware of So let’s kind of just stipulate alright, so there’s something good in ocean water that people have used historically It depends probably on where the ocean water’s from and whether it’s from Japan or not KERRI: Right Right, right, that’s not gonna happen

DAVE: And then you mentioned a full moon Why do you treat on a full moon cycle? Like, what? KERRI: The parasites are typically more active during full moon and new moon So, if you go into Google and you Google “full moon and new moon for the month” and then you put them in your calendar, and you start to look at how you–road rage, somebody just pissed you off because they cut you off Like, all of a sudden you’re less tolerant of other human beings, that kind of thing Does your stomach get more bloated around that time, do you wake between 1 and 3 in the morning? Nose picking? Butt itching? Things of that nature with the full moon and the new moon are very common and that really tells you that you do have parasites and most of us have parasites

You know, the idea is that if you live in a first world country, you’re not gonna have parasites, but actually almost all of these kids do live in first world countries and they’re pouring parasites out of their bodies DAVE: So for people who are skeptical of the full moon thing because obviously only witches care about that, there is any police officer or emergency room physician, by the way I’m married to a former emergency room physician, will tell you full out that things are different on a full moon And if you look at admission records for jails or for hospitals, on a moon cycle, there’s no question that there’s something different for humans around a full moon Whether it’s because of the effect on not just parasites, but even bacteria of a full moon, there are effects There’s a monthly cycle for all the biological parts in the body

So I totally get that And you’ve found that by treating on the full moon cycle when they’re most active, you try and poison them? Is that kind of how that works? KERRI: Basically yes And they release histamine, morphine and amphetamines, so they’re really toxic, these parasites Another thing, we got rid of these parasites in a lot of the kids, they started growing A lot of our kids have stunted growth and the thinking is that the parasites are eating the growth hormone

So once you start to kill down the parasites and the children start recovering, their feet grow, they get taller, they fill in, they go through puberty Lots of interesting things happen as well It’s been very–a lot of interesting observations that we’ve seen DAVE: Did you ever work with people like I guess, parents would be the most likely ones, where you’re doing the same thing and even though they don’t have overt autism symptoms, what changes in a parent if a parent drinks ocean water and on the full moon cycle and yeah–either one or the other parts of the protocol But what happens to neurotypical people when they do all this stuff? KERRI: A lot of my parents have autoimmune disorders because they have children with autism, a lot of them have Lyme, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, hpyothyroids

A lot of them come with some issues of their own So a lot of them treat at the same time and a lot of them lose the symptoms of the diagnosis that they had prior to treating with you know, the diet, the chlorine dioxide, the ocean water and the parasite protocol That’s basically all the parents will do They don’t do supplements or hyperbarics But they’ll usually do those first three steps and they get better from those things

So that’s been an interesting observation as well DAVE: What about the people who take parasites to get rid of autism? KERRI: There are different types of parasites They’re not the same Yeah There are different types

DAVE: They’re a different type Right So how do you–are you doing any kind of analysis of the things that come out to know what species and type they are? I wanna know KERRI: Well, labs don’t find them, you know, Dave So the labs aren’t gonna help you much

People, they always come saying “my kids don’t have parasites, here’s my labs” and we say ya know “great, let’s just get started with this parasite protocol” and all of a sudden all these worms are coming out and the parents are crying and saying I can’t believe I didn’t know this! I can’t believe that they didn’t tell me that my child had parasites! Ya know? How long could my child have stayed sick if I hadn’t actually known this? DAVE: I totally agree Labs don’t find parasites a great amount of the time KERRI: Right, right DAVE: In alternative healing circles that’s pretty well known But on the other hand, if you have a bag of angel hair pasta looking stuff, anyone with a microscope ought to be able to take a look at that and tell you what kind of worm it is, right? KERRI: If they’re using microscopes, Dave

They’re not using microscopes They’re putting them through these machines and they’re just looking for certain things and they’re not finding them So I don’t know what’s going on with those machines DAVE: But in your clinic, you have access to basic USB microscopes You don’t need high power to be able to tell what kind of worms

Have you quantified or identified any of the species that are coming out of these kids? KERRI: Mostly what we’re having is we have specialist experts now, like for instance, Dr Alex Felinski out of South Florida University He basically came across this rogue parasite as well as this Dr Gubrev out of Russia And they’re kind of working together and they’re checking to make sure but there’s a certain–so he’ll identify, I’ll send him photos of those and they just look one after the other, they look the same

Dr Andreas Kalcker as well helps us with identification Miriam Katerasco(sp) has also helped us These are people who are specialists in the parasite world So that’s basically where the idea has come from

And then of course you can go back There’s books, actually, PDF files some parents have started some different phase book groups and they have a lot of files and books back into the early 1900s when we were more aware of parasites, but now we sort of think that we’ve got domination over that and I think that we were missing it This is a big piece of a lot of–a great example, a lot of people are suffering from depression right now in the US and parasites cause depression So I have one mom who was suffering depression so terribly, started the protocol with her son is like “oh my gosh, I feel so much better! I can get up! I can get out! I can sleep through the night!” And just basically only doing–she’s doing the diet, so she is doing step 1, 2 and 3, diet, ocean water, chlorine dioxide and the parasite protocol DAVE: So this guy, Dr

Andreus Kalcker? Yes, so he’s a parasitologist– KERRI: No, he’s actually not a parasitologist That’s what he basically started focusing in his doctorate is in, oh gosh, it’s biochemistry or– DAVE: Okay KERRI: I don’t know, I’d have to look up what it is, but anyway, he gets really into everything and this is something that he created a really great parasite protocol that uses dye to make sure for chopping up the larva, castor oil for driving the parasites out of the liver, the flukes, and then he uses mabendasol which is a nonsystemic over the counter basically in other countries excerpt for the US A drug, which is actually, it’s supposedly quite good at getting rid of a certain type of cancer, and very very cheap, it’s worth about 50 cents, that’s one of them Rompe piedras which is an herb that actually breaks up oxalates which the parasite is responsible for

DAVE: So, it’s interesting you’re bring up oxalates It seems like eating kale would cause more oxalates than parasites KERRI: Most of the people that have had oxalates are loaded with parasites And as you get rid of the parasites, the oxalates come down The oxalates are–the parasites are responsible for the oxalates

DAVE: Interesting I do know that nutritional sources can be big contributors as well Just, you can detect that, but I can totally see oxalates being produced by parasites to keep other parasites down as a defense mechanism Now, in terms of just doing due diligence, there’s Genesis Church too and you and Dr Kalcker are involved in that

What’s the roll of that? Why is there a church relationship with all of the things we’re doing here? KERRI: Well Jim Humble created a church so that he wouldn’t be attacked for using chlorine dioxide That was to be a protection for him DAVE: And who’s Jim Humble? We haven’t talked about Jim yet KERRI: Jim Humble is the man who 17 years ago used–he worked as a miner in a South American jungle And so before he would go into the jungle, he would go into one of those local camping supply stores and he would buy these two little bottles, that if you put one with the other, you created chlorine dioxide and you were able to cleanse your drinking water so you could basically take a pot of undrinkable water and make it drinkable

So he’s there in South America and some of the guys on the team get malaria and so they’re dying and they’re just doing terrible And so he thought “well heck, this kills pathogens” you know? “Here’s some drops for you” and he had no idea what he was doing, he just gave them a bunch of drops and knew how much he was using per gallon, and about 4 hours later these guys were laughing, talking about how bad they felt and how sick they were and now they were fine And then they started treating other guys in the neighboring towns and villages and the same results were happening The chlorine dioxide was killing the malaria so the people were being healed from malaria within 4 to 6 hours DAVE: Okay

So, I’m familiar with Jim’s work because oh about fifteen years ago I read about it and I tried some of the stuff, but I’ve tried just with everything I know about So I was like “Interesting, tastes like bleach” So the drinking ocean water is a new thing to me though There’s definitely some cool stuff in ocean water I think the average person who hears all this is on one hand saying “well, if you have 108 kids whose parents will stand up and say my kid doesn’t have autism, here’s all the diagnoses” that’s cool, we don’t necessarily, it sounds like–have a great understanding of where in the body these parasites were, other than maybe in the gut

We also don’t know exactly what species they are and we’re assuming that they probably were creating some compounds that were messing with the immune system Is that kind of– KERRI: And the parasites are only one part, like you pointed out The bacteria is definitely a factor The candida is definitely a factor There are heavy metals that are definitely a factor

Chlorine dioxide will break the bond between like, methylmercury and ethylmercury so that they’ll just become a composite that can actually be removed from the body with the methylation cycle So there are different things that chlorine dioxide is doing and it’s not just the parasite, although we see the parasites coming out so it’s very impactual and that becomes sort of the focus but it’s just a part of it DAVE: So do you think that people without huge health problems and autoimmunity are walking around with a parasitic load that’s slowing their performance on a regular basis? Like is this such an endemic problem that everyone should deworm themselves? KERRI: 1 in 4 women in the US are taking antidepressant medication which probably means there are more that aren’t taking them that probably could use them And probably a good round, maybe like, we do this year round so it’s every full moon for 12 months, probably would help most of these people There’s a lot of people that are suffering issues like this

I actually had, after I did an interview with another person similar to what you’re doing, I received a mail from the person who did the interview with me It was   a forward of a listener and how he was so impacted, he was about to divorce his wife, he was so depressed, he just didn’t care, and then he started realizing oh my gosh after he listened to the interview that this was it And he started to treat himself and now he’s in love with his wife, and he’s really happy, but all these emotions that we have that are caused by these parasites, I mean yeah of course we’re having them, but these parasites are affecting our feelings And so we’re just–we amplify things like I was saying about road rage About intolerance for the spouse

Or depression when you really have anything necessarily to be depressed about I mean there’s people that do, but still at the same time, there’s a certain level of depression that kind of takes it over, and a lot of them in there are–and especially if they’re around a full or new moon, I would urge anybody to really take a look at their feelings around new and full moon or their tummy, does it get bloated or all the other symptoms DAVE: There’s very little question in the healing community that I’ve worked with that yeast and biofilms in the body have direct neurological things So one of the first signs that you might have say, toxin mold in your home, or a very severe yeast infection is like horrible nightmares Like why would you get dark nasty nightmares if you’re in a room that’s full of mold spores? I have no idea

But there is a definite known connection between the compounds made by yeast and bacterial biofilms And for people listening, if you haven’t heard of a biofilm, this is what happens when you put some stress and or some chemicals around a fungus or bacteria or the combination of the two in the body And they end up self-organizing They make defensive systems and they make even like, almost the equivalent of organs They can pump nutrients in and they can pump out their waste products and this makes it very resistant to things like antibiotics or antifungal medications

So using things like more traditionally EDTA to break down a biofilm works very nicely and what we’re discussing today here is using this Chlorine Dioxide in order to break those down So there’s good science that says if you have a biofilm and there’s questions about who has them and when and where, but if you break down a biofilm and you actually have it, that it could have positive effects on your health The techniques you’re using are pretty far out there in the overall scheme of things, but it sounds like you’re getting some good results with them I mean if people wanna learn more about parasites without necessarily being alarmists about them–I don’t want anyone on the show today “oh my god, I might have a worm in my gut, that’s so disgusting! I need to go out and pump myself full of–” And there’s a lot of really harsh chemicals you can use in an attempt to rid yourself of something that labs don’t detect very well, so you’ll never quite know if it’s gone Like, you can go down the psycho route looking for parasites

I know lots of people who’ve done that “Oh my god I might have a parasite, I can’t do anything!” Where do we get sound, sane, but realistic and eyes open parasite advice? KERRI: There’s only a few doctors that I know of in the US that are practicing techniques to get rid of parasites One of them is Dr Dietrich Klinghardt He’s up in Washington State There’s Dr

Simon Yu who’s in St Louis Missouri and there’s a Dr Schwartz and I believe he’s in Pennsylvania But I don’t know many other people that are actually actively realizing that this is a problem And these are people who treat Lyme, Cancer, I mean they don’t necessarily treat autism

I know that they’ve all seen autism patients and I believe that they all treat autism, but they usually treat a wide range of autoimmune disorders as well DAVE: I once shared a hotel room with Dr Klinghardt at the American Academy of AntiAging medicine I’ve been to his mercury seminars and he actually does a lot to defeat autism Now it’s called Thrive

So he’s into the mercury connection and the weird thing for people listening, and this gets into more of like, the pathological stuff versus human performance but, the thing is if you have mercury, which if you eat a lot of fish or basically you’re alive, you tend to get exposed to it because there’s a lot of environmental mercury that didn’t use to be out there As this stuff accumulates, your body’s like I can keep the mercury in the brain or in the liver where it does the most damage, or I can allow fungus to form and I can put this stuff into fat cells so I can allow fat cells to grow and hold mercury and you can biopsy the mercury or biopsy the fat cells and find the mercury, or yeast will hold on to mercury very well So the body in an attempt to keep from poisoning itself will allow mercury to go into things that are also bad for you So mercury’s a foundational thing in making yeast and parasites worse So you get this weird like, toxins when I talk about detoxing and toxins

This is one of those reasons One toxin affects pathogens Things that grow on the body that you don’t want So, we just talked about some pretty unusual techniques: drinking ocean water and chlorine dioxide which comes from mixing citric acid and chlorine KERRI: Sodium Chloride

Use sodium chloride and an acid It can be beat any acid DAVE: Okay cool So you mix these things up like, okay this is one of the many treatment approaches there, but I would just say that it’s entirely possible if you have some unusual symptoms that parasites can be involved I don’t think they’re always involved, and it may just be a fungal thing, it may just be a bacterial thing or it may be all three and it may have a metal involved

But if you’re dealing with heavy duty stuff, that’s something to know about But if you’re also just a super high performance person, and you wanna stay that way, not exposing yourself to lots of mercury and lots of parasites and eating in such a way that you’re less likely to get a fungal infection might keep you at your high performance level for longer Any kind of final comments or bits of advice for people? KERRI: What I think is interesting too, I was just thinking when you were talking about this and it was sort of starting mainstream and that’s exciting because Dr Oz, I’m not very familiar with him, but somebody sent me a video with his show he did within the last I think, two months, on parasites and it was so interesting because it went through all kinds of symptoms that are effecting us on a daily basis So if maybe your listeners are interested in parasites and they don’t mind the mainstream, I think Dr

Oz would be a good video and I think he’s on YouTube I think somebody posted it on YouTube So just look up Dr Oz Parasites and I just read recently it’s very fascinating And he just went through everything from headaches, I mean you name it

I mean definitely You start to think “Geez I might have some parasites” DAVE: One of the things that’s interesting is I was a raw vegan for a while and actually got worse The number of raw vegetables that you eat there, and funny, raw vegetables typically carry parasite eggs, right? So that the raw vegan community often says oh no, only meat has parasites, you have to have meat to have parasites, but there’s more parasites that come from eating raw vegetables than there are from eating meat And they’re different kinds of parasites

KERRI: The larva! The larva is very hard to kill Larva you have to put boiling water, really hot scolding hot water on it to kill the larva or you need to use the 90 proof alcohol, so it’s actually really difficult and of course you don’t take your lettuce and dip it into scalding water if you want a nice, fresh, water and you’re not gonna pour alcohol on your lettuce either, so it’s a tough thing to know how to kill larva I actually think it’s quite complicated DAVE: It certainly is And so, I’ve used an iodine soak, but the bottom line is if you are consuming vegetables in an effort to avoid parasites, it’s a feudal effort unless you’re cooking the vegetables first which works just as well as cooking meat

Alright, there’s a final question that I’ve asked every guest on the show And one that I’d love to get your input on Given your whole life experience, not just as a homeopath or working with autistic kids, but everything you’ve learned, what are the three most important things that you recommend for people who want to perform better? So if you wanted to kick more ass, you’re talking to someone and you wanna download those three things, what are the three things you’d recommend people understand? KERRI: I think the most important thing, no matter what you do in life, is do it 100% I think that, you know, if you do 90% or 99%, you’re still gonna end up the same way You’re not gonna get where you’re going

So decide you’re gonna do it and go ahead and go do it And give yourself a period of time I used to run marathons and I know that I used to tell myself “okay, you feel like you can’t go on, but okay just the next water stop or just the next water stop” and you kind of play with your brain, but it’s the same thing whether we’re healing ourselves, we’re healing our children or we’ve gone out to actually play a game I think that’s really important to give 100% of   yourself DAVE: Awesome

So that was one What are the other 2? KERRI: Yeah! The other thing is set yourself up for success Prepare Like with my families I tell them, “okay look Now you know what’s going on

You need to go start the diet You gotta go home, you know your house is full of gluten and casein, you’ve got wheat and dairy and all sorts of junk you need to get rid of So go home, eat it all up, and the next time you go to the grocery store, buy all the stuff that you can have so when your child comes to you and your child is hungry and wanting to have the sandwich or the milk or the cheese, that they can’t have anymore, you have something to offer them that is free of gluten in casein and yet they like it as well So that’s another really important thing for setting yourself up for success And the other one is, we need to do our homework

I think that no matter what it is, for instance, if you just go into the FDA and they say “Ah, there’s chlorine dioxides, bleach” whatever, but do the homework on both sides And I think that that’s an important thing for anybody considering any type of treatment or doing any kind of thing, you should always choose sides and you need to educate yourself so it’s not like–I don’t like people to come to me and say “Oh well you told me and I trust you” Don’t trust anybody Get the information, educate yourself and then when you say “Oh no! I wanna do this protocol because I’ve done the homework” and then both spouses–everybody’s done the homework Everybody believes in what they’re about to do

And then they can embark on a mission that’s gonna be successful They’re gonna have a successful journey But if it’s just “Oh well, the FDA website said it” And then they throw it out the window or “Oh Kerri said it”, you can always be derailed from your decisions and I think that’s one of the most important things that we absolutely know with certainty what we’re about to do DAVE: That makes really good sense We’ve got kind of knowledge, preparation and commitment

KERRI: Sure! DAVE: Would be the three things there I appreciate that, Kerri, and I appreciate you being willing to do anything and everything and go out on a limb for your own kids There’s nothing like a necessity to be the mother of invention And you know, having progress and seeing your own kids get healthier is kind of a magic thing in being able to help others is also magic KERRI: Thank you

DAVE: So you’ve definitely–We’ve talked vortexes, full moons, parasites and some pretty out there stuff But if you’re getting results and it’s working, working for you and there are communities of people who are trying it, and trying it safely and not putting themselves or others in danger– KERRI: Absolutely We take the sickest children and they heal So we have the hundred neighbor coverage and we have many more children that are well on their way to recovery and they’re healing along the way so you know, children that had seizure disorder no longer having seizures, things like that But yet they still have the autism diagnosis

But little by little, we’re healing many people all over the globe and thank God you know, everyone is just doing better It’s not like they’re getting worse or some are falling off, they’re doing well DAVE: Well, I’ll do some more research into this ocean water thing That’s not something I’m familiar with, and usually I know about this stuff So thank you very much for being on the show today and for talking about your work

KERRI: Thank you for having me, Dave DAVE: You’re welcome Have a great day KERRI: You do the same Thank you

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